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Update: Cub Foods Bans Guns (those with permit to carry)

posted Jan 3, 2013, 7:29 AM by Ron V   [ updated Mar 22, 2013, 2:07 PM ]

UPDATE: Jan. 25, 2013

Excellent news!

Our voices have been heard.

If you recall, I posted in December about Cub Foods’ “unposted” policy that banned guns in their corporate stores (I found out about that policy when I was shopping while carrying a holstered firearm and was asked to leave by the manager).

Based in large part on our calls and emails over the last month, Cub Foods has reviewed their policy and has decided to recognize the laws of the state of Minnesota which pertain to the lawful carrying of firearms, and has reversed their policy accordingly, effective immediately. Those who carry with a valid permit to carry recognized by the state of Minnesota are welcome in their corporate stores.

Please show your appreciation for their careful consideration of their policy by returning as a customer and supporting their business with your shopping dollars. Support businesses that support us and which recognize and uphold the laws of the state in regard to lawful carry.

Cub Foods is not looking for a pat on the back or any recognition for this policy change. You can show your appreciation by returning as a customer.

Thank you to Cub Foods for doing the right thing.

Small victories. 

(Check with your local Cub Foods store to find out whether they are a corporate store or a franchise store. If they are a franchise store, ask what their policy is on lawful carry (do they ban guns?). Please email us and let us know what you find out about your local Cub Foods franchise stores. We’re compiling a lists of 2A friendly Cub Foods franchise stores. Email info@Minnesota2A.com.) 



UPDATE on the Cub Foods situation. As you may recall, I posted on Dec. 20, 2012, that I was asked to leave Cub Foods, St. Anthony Village, while grocery shopping with an open-carry, securely holstered firearm. And I was told by the manager that ALL Cub Foods have a “no guns” policy (I have a permit to carry and MN does not require concealment.) The store was not posted with a sign. Here’s the link to the original post: https://www.facebook.com/tcGunsAndCarry/posts/363604410402608

(This isn't a debate about open carry vs. concealed, it's about the fact that Cub Foods bans guns, period).
 
After posting an ACTION ALERT about the situation, I was asked by Andrew Rothman, VP of Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, to hold off on calling for a boycott until further information could be learned about whether the particular store was a corporate vs. franchise (which could explain a variation in policy), and/or whether the manager was simply mistaken (since many people have commented that they open carry at other Cub locations without incident. And I have open carried at that St. Anthony location without prior incident).

Andrew Rothman has spoken with Cub Foods’ corporate Director of Loss Prevention, Kelly Brandes, and I’ve pasted his summary of the conversation below, which also includes Andrew’s opinions of the situation. Below Andrew’s comments are my personal thoughts and opinions on the situation as the founder of MN-RKBA & TCGOCF. Thanks for reading.

Andrew Rothmans statement and comments

Andrew Rothman’s comments/opinions:

(In this message I am speaking both as a gun rights advocate and as an individual. First, the facts. Later, some opinions.)

Friends,

On Thursday, a carry permit holder was asked to leave a Cub Foods in the metro area after being seen carrying openly, as is legal in Minnesota. I spoke with the permit holder and told him I would see if I could get to the bottom of things with Cub Foods. 

I called Cub HQ and left a message Thursday evening at about 4:00 p.m.

On Friday afternoon, I got a call from Cub Foods' corporate Director of Loss Prevention, Kelly Brandes. In his position, he told me, he is responsible for store security as well as preventing shoplifting.

He struck me as a serious, honest, no-nonsense guy. He didn't try to B.S. me, and he spoke to me with respect and sincerity.

I told him about Minnesota permit holders -- all 112,091 of us, at last count, as how we tend to spend our money with businesses that respect our rights.

He told me that, for the last five years, corporate policy has been to disallow carry by permit holders in their store, but not to post signs to that effect. The aim, he told me, was to make the shopping experience as comfortable as possible for all of their customers.

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MY OPINION: This can be seen in two ways: negatively, as trying to have it both ways, or positively, as wanting to neither offend carry permit holders or easily frightened people.

MY OPINION: Grocery stores really do run on extremely low margins. They can't afford to alienate any segment of their customer bases.

MY OPINION: He couldn't come right out and say, "For Pete's sake, just cover the damn thing up and you'll never have a problem!" Nonetheless, the facts and policies that he stated imply exactly that.
***

He told me that after the Connecticut shootings, "everything has changed." He said that Cub Foods corporate management had decided to seriously re-examine the issue of their gun policy. He said that he did not know what the result would be, or even if they would finish by the end of January, but that he would contact me in a month's time with an update.

As we spoke, his words indicated that he had done his homework: he knew about the fact and figures and statistics about the overwhelmingly law-abiding nature of permit holders. "We have a lot more facts than we did five years ago," he said. He didn't promise me good news or bad news, just that he would keep me informed.

He also confirmed what I believed to be true: while some Cub Foods stores are owned by the company, many others are franchises. The franchisees have access to corporate policies, but decide for themselves which ones to adopt and enforce.

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MY OPINION: When a merchant asks me if I wouldn't mind covering up a gun, most permit holders are willing to do so, if asked nicely. It's too bad that this didn't happen on Thursday.

MY OPINION: Speaking for myself only, I am in no rush to condemn the business, either for protecting their bottom line or for taking some time to think things through. It's a lot better, for example, than a kneejerk reaction.

MY OPINION: I am willing to take a wait-and-see attitude. If they decide to put up a sign, well, Rainbow Foods will just have to absorb a few hundred thousand extra shoppers. If they rescind the open carry ban, that's fine, too. And come to think of it, if they keep their tacit "don't ask don't tell" policy in place...well, we could do a lot worse.
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###End Andrew Rothman’s statement.

My opinions, as an individual and founder of Minnesotans for the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and TCGOCF

My opinions, as an individual and founder of Minnesotans for the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and TCGOCF:

--I believe we’re at a critical juncture of the future of 2A rights locally and nationally. I believe that if we don’t make our voices heard, we acquiesce to being marginalized and we acquiesce to the death of our rights by a thousand paper cuts.

--I respect and trust the judgment of Andrew Rothman. Because I trust him and because we are at a critical juncture in the fight for our rights, I believe it’s important for all of us to be unified as we move forward in taking action on issues related to 2A, locally and otherwise.

--I’m willing to briefly temper my feelings of insult and my strong desire to stand on principle, and defer to Andrew’s experience in these matters and hold off on calling for a boycott to wait and see if Cub Foods decides to land on the right side of supporting and not infringing on citizens’ Constitutional rights.

--That said, I will not be spending any of my grocery budget at Cub Foods until they inform us of their decision following their “re-examination” period (assuming by end of January 2013), and I will contact them to let them know that’s my position. 

--Their desire to “ride the fence” by not posting their policy on the door is an insult to me and it’s disingenuous. The money I spend on groceries is a substantial part of my budget, and I would prefer to give my hard earned money to companies that value and support law abiding citizens and Constitutional rights. It’s akin to being in 7th grade and having one of the cool kids tell you that you can be friends, and then he plays with all your cool stuff (your money), but when his other friends show up, he pretends not to know you. I call B.S.

--Their “gun ban” policy caters to hysteria and puts citizens in danger by creating a disarmed public and fosters a “free crime zone” mentality for criminals (How many armed robberies or assaults have take place inside Cub or at banks inside local Cub Foods?).

--I can find no reference on Cub’s corporate website that states their “gun ban” policy.

--Short of calling a boycott at this time, it’s my opinion that each of you who feel strongly about the issue contact them during their “re-evaluation” period, and/or make your opinions known through your dollars, to let them know the value of our contingent, as well as any thoughts you have about their “gun ban” policy which leaves us potentially unable to defend ourselves.

To contact Cub:
(You can also look up your local Cub’s info and contact the manager, https://www.cub.com/stores/search-stores.html)

Cub Foods on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Cub

Cub Foods online contact form:
http://bit.ly/UkYS8w

Cub Foods corporate:
By Phone
1-877-X-EASY-4-U
(1-877-932-7948) 

Cub Foods by Mail
Attn: Customer Service
157 S. Howard St.
Spokane, WA 99201 

Super Valu HQ contact form: 
https://www.supervalu.com/sv-webapp/contact/contact.jsp
SUPERVALU Corporate Headquarters
East View Innovation Center 
7075 Flying Cloud Drive 
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
952.828.4000
Wayne C. Sales, president/CEO/Chairman: wayne.sales@supervalu.com
Kevin Holt, president Supervalu Retail: kevin.holt@supervalu.com
 
 

P.S.

One of our followers told us that he contacted Rainbow Foods about their gun policy. He said that he was told they do not ban guns. We have not verified this info ourselves.

 

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